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27-07-2019 19:10:54
- nicepix
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- Date d'inscription: 20-09-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
jacky 93 a écrit:
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Il est étrange de voir à quel point ces pêcheurs à la carpe semblent réticents à partager leurs photographies du grand barbeau, surtout si l’on prend la peine de mesurer un poisson.
Ils ne sont pas stupides et souhaitent partager des photographies de poissons qui ne suscitent pas l’intérêt des chasseurs de spécimens. Alors, où sont les preuves de ces grandes captures et pourquoi semblent-elles toujours tomber aux mains des carpistes et des autres pêcheurs qui ne pêchent pas pour le grand barbeau?
Ces histoires ne semblent pas plausibles.Pour avoir discuté avec des carpistes qui pêchent sur "mon" coin à barbeau, ils considèrent ce poisson (tout comme les chevesnes) comme des espèces qui ne sont pas "nobles" (sic) donc bien souvent ils les remettent à l'eau sans avoir pris la peine de les admirer ou de les photographier, car ils se dépêchent de remettre leur montage en place pour essayer de capturer une carpe....!!
Il y aura toujours des pêcheurs avec une vision en tunnel, mais Benoit a parlé de quelqu'un qui a pris la peine de mesurer le grand barbeau et l'a ensuite rejeté comme un cadeau indésirable.
Et la pêche à la carpe n'est pas vraiment rapide et furieuse. Parfois, les jours passent sans touches. 
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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04-08-2019 00:02:14
- benoit60
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Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
julien92 a écrit:
Je vous rejoins sur le fait que le barbeau est probablement une espèce qui a connu un boum à beaucoup d'endroits du fait de l'assainissement des eaux. Comme tous les boums, une ou plusieurs espèces se mettent à occuper des niches écologiques vacantes et se portent très (trop) bien les premières années, puis quand la population a bien explosé, elle se retrouve confrontée aux limites de ce que supporte le milieu et viennent se réguler d'elles mêmes (pour l'avoir déjà écrit plusieurs fois, je reste convaincu que la façon la plus efficace de lutter contre les nuisibles est justement de laisser faire, limiter les populations est au mieux inutile car la limitation est insignifiante, au pire, néfaste car elle empêche justement cette régression face à l'insuffisance des ressources). Je pense qu'à de nombreux endroits, c'est ce qui se passe avec le barbeau, l'heure de gloire est passée et on se retrouve soit dans une situation ou les populations ont régressé, soit une telle densité que la croissance est faible (cette dernière situation étant probablement transitoire).
Sur la Seine, si on remonte une dizaine d'années en arrière, les prises de barbeaux étaient plutôt rares puis il y a eu quelques années où on en prenait, aujourd'hui pas mal de connaissances qui s'en étaient fait une spécialité en sont revenus car la pêche est globalement très irrégulière. J'aurais tendance à dire qu'il y en a moins et je pencherais pour des causes naturelles : une population qui a rejoint son niveau d'équilibre.
Je peux citer d'autres cours d'eau où les situations sont différentes mais sur pratiquement tous ceux que j'ai pratiqué ces dernières années, les pêches changent d'une année sur l'autre en terme de nombre, taille moyenne, secteurs ou on trouve les poissons, etc... A beaucoup d'endroit la situation n'était et n'est sûrement toujours pas à l'équilibre.
Ce que je ne comprends pas.....bon ça vit combien de temps un barbeau?!....D'un coup les barbeaux ne trouvant plus assez de nourriture finissent par mourir de faim?? Bizarre j'en vois jamais de crevé...ok je ne passe pas ma vie à scruter la rivière mais quand même...Donc les vieux soit meurent de faim soit de leur belle mort naturelle de vieillesse?! J'ai du mal à appréhender la question et les vraies réponses....ok pour les carnassiers on sait qu'ils peuvent bouffer les congénères (sandres, brochet....) et ainsi réguler quand ils sont trop nombreux mais les poissons blancs?? Je ne vois pas....
Pour le peu d'expérience du barbeau que j'ai...les prises oui sont moins nombreuses certaines années c'est irrégulier...je ne sais pas si il a vraiment régressé, mes prises oui....j'aime me rassurer en me disant qu'ils sont dans des portions de rivière non praticables parce que la berge est privée....et qu'il y a des km et des km de rivières qui sont ainsi...
Début juillet il a fallu que je sorte le silure qui était sur le poste avant de toucher un peu de barbeaux...
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04-08-2019 10:05:58
- julien92
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Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
100% des poissons finissent par mourir, c'est pas pour ça qu'on les retrouve. Je ne parle pas d'une extinction de masse mais d'un effet sur le long terme dans lequel le nombre de survivants à une ponte joue beaucoup.
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30-05-2020 17:03:46
- nicepix
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- Lieu: 16 à côté de 87
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Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
J'en ai trouvé un autre. Cette fois en Charente 
Malheureusement, je n'ai pas pu peser le poisson, mais je pense que 4 000 g - 4 500 g
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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30-05-2020 17:08:39
- jacky 93
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Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Magnifique...!
Combien de cm de longueur ?
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30-05-2020 17:34:13
- nicepix
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Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Je n'avais rien pour peser ou mesurer le poisson. Mais il est similaire à l'autre qui pesait 4 100g 
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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30-05-2020 17:46:57
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
nicepix a écrit:
J'en ai trouvé un autre. Cette fois en Charente
Malheureusement, je n'ai pas pu peser le poisson, mais je pense que 4 000 g - 4 500 g
Je pense que tu es dans le juste poids , 4kg allègrement aux vues des proportions de spécimen
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30-05-2020 19:51:16
- benoit60
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- Date d'inscription: 08-06-2005
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Super t'as fini par trouver en Charente (aises?!)
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30-05-2020 19:54:42
- nicepix
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- Lieu: 16 à côté de 87
- Date d'inscription: 20-09-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Mon objectif est 5000g. Ensuite, je peux me détendre 
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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30-05-2020 22:19:14
- uxor
- ManiaC
- Date d'inscription: 28-06-2012
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Il y a quelques annees il y avait une'pêcheur anglais qui nous faisait des reports avec des grosses prises de barbeaux
En cherchant dans les journées de peche tu pourras te mettre en contact
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30-05-2020 22:24:13
- uxor
- ManiaC
- Date d'inscription: 28-06-2012
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Son nom est Garethw
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31-05-2020 08:54:34
- nicepix
- ManiaC
- Lieu: 16 à côté de 87
- Date d'inscription: 20-09-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
uxor a écrit:
Il y a quelques annees il y avait une'pêcheur anglais qui nous faisait des reports avec des grosses prises de barbeaux
En cherchant dans les journées de peche tu pourras te mettre en contact
J'ai vu sa vidéo. La taille des barbeaux qu'il a capturés n'était pas si grande.
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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31-05-2020 10:04:36
- joel
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- Lieu: oise
- Date d'inscription: 29-06-2004
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
nicepix a écrit:
uxor a écrit:
Il y a quelques annees il y avait une'pêcheur anglais qui nous faisait des reports avec des grosses prises de barbeaux
En cherchant dans les journées de peche tu pourras te mettre en contactJ'ai vu sa vidéo. La taille des barbeaux qu'il a capturés n'était pas si grande.
en effet Gareth pêchait le barbeau dans l'Oise et L'aisne et les captures dépassaient et ne dépassent toujours pas les 3.5kg... 
allez a ++++
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31-05-2020 13:12:14
- nicepix
- ManiaC
- Lieu: 16 à côté de 87
- Date d'inscription: 20-09-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
joel a écrit:
nicepix a écrit:
uxor a écrit:
Il y a quelques annees il y avait une'pêcheur anglais qui nous faisait des reports avec des grosses prises de barbeaux
En cherchant dans les journées de peche tu pourras te mettre en contactJ'ai vu sa vidéo. La taille des barbeaux qu'il a capturés n'était pas si grande.
en effet Gareth pêchait le barbeau dans l'Oise et L'aisne et les captures dépassaient et ne dépassent toujours pas les 3.5kg...
Dans la vidéo que j'ai visionnée, il utilise des tactiques standard qui sont garanties de réussir si des barbeaux sont présents. Mais les plus grands barbeaux que je cherche ne se trouvent pas dans de tels endroits. Cela nécessite des tactiques différentes et de pêcher dans différents endroits où les barbeaux de taille moyenne habitent.
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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03-06-2020 19:04:06
- Hannso91
- ManiaC
- Date d'inscription: 14-07-2013
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
l espèce vit en banc de poissons d'à peu près la même taille ( très souvent la pêche du barbeau connait des passages de folie quand le banc est sur le coup puis de gros blanc quand il est parti )
Le problème c'est donc que gros poisson = vieux poissons et donc au gré des diverses mortalité du groupe les plus gros spécimen seront au final des poissons quasi solitaire et donc très difficile à localiser/pêcher
Mais ptet qu en fait les gros rejoigne des bancs de specimen plus petit ?
En tous cas sur mes pêches de barbeaux les poissons étaient toujours à peu près du même calibre ( entre 3000 et 4500 )
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07-07-2020 22:19:14
- nicepix
- ManiaC
- Lieu: 16 à côté de 87
- Date d'inscription: 20-09-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
J'essaye à nouveau dans le secteur Chateauneuf. L'endroit où j'avais l'intention de pêcher était occupé par un bateau, j'ai donc dû trouver un autre endroit. Le barbeau n'était pas aussi grand mais six brèmes compensaient. 
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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14-08-2020 18:46:17
- Bubble88
- ManiaC
- Date d'inscription: 30-05-2017
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Je me demandais avec un ami où étaient ces fameux gros barbeaux. Nous pêchons une rivière où nous faisons régulièrement des barbeaux de 1 voire 2 Kg maximum, ces poissons côtoient sur un même poste des carpes qui dépassent les 10 Kg. Si nous prenons ces grosses carpes, nous ne parvenons à prendre que de petits barbeaux.
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04-03-2021 13:44:25
- darkpheus
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- Lieu: Amiens (80)
- Date d'inscription: 11-05-2015
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Il y a du gros barbeaux dans nos rivières, ici en Somme au mois de juin. Bouillette maison en 16mm sur un amorçage avec des sacs PVA et des pellets/bouillettes.
C'est le plus gros de l'année 2020 pour moi. Il fait 82cm, si on suit la liste taille/poids sur la première page, ça devrait faire dans les 6kg. La même journée, je me suis fait casser par un autre gros sur du 24/100 en bas de ligne. Je pense que les gros existent, comme en angleterre mais que, comme tous les gros cyprins, il faut les chercher sur des techniques carpistes avec du matériels assez costaud (2.25lb mini), un amorçage de grosses particules et des bons hameçons à carpe de taille 6 ou 8.
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09-03-2021 21:13:54
- mlookhead
- ManiaC
- Lieu: Poissy
- Date d'inscription: 06-01-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
J'ai pris un barbeau en Somme qui faisait 81 cm mais qui ne pesait que 5,15Kg. Il semble que les barbeaux de la Somme soient plus longilignes que dans d'autres rivières. En Seine, je suis quasiment sur qu'un barbeau de cette taille pèserait pas loin des 6Kg. Je l'attends toujours ce barbeau mythique ... 
Il est beaucoup plus intéressant de regarder où l'on ne va pas pour la bonne raison que, là où l'on va, il sera toujours temps d'y regarder quand on y sera.
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14-03-2021 21:25:04
- Jack28
- ManiaC
- Date d'inscription: 27-03-2013
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Comme il est dit plus haut, on prend souvent des barbillons tous calibrés. On peut donc en déduire qu'ils ont tous la même année de naissance et que l'absence de barbillons de toutes tailles a pour origine l'échec du frai pendant plusieurs années consécutives, voire, pour des raisons inconnues, leur migration pour aller frayer ailleurs.
Dans un secteur de Loire moyenne, j'ai pu suivre la croissance d'un banc de barbillons de même poids pendant plusieurs années, sans prendre le moindre poisson plus gros ou plus petit.
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15-03-2021 19:08:48
- nicepix
- ManiaC
- Lieu: 16 à côté de 87
- Date d'inscription: 20-09-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Mon opinion est que les barbeaux de n'importe quelle année resteront ensemble dans un groupe de poissons de taille similaire jusqu'à ce que le nombre soit naturellement épuisé. Ensuite, les quelques gros poissons restants adoptent une existence plus solitaire et ne se trouvent pas dans les endroits où les générations successives de poissons en groupe habitent.
S'il vous plaît pardonnez mon français. Je suis encore à apprendre votre langue.
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30-03-2021 20:52:10
- darkpheus
- ManiaC
- Lieu: Amiens (80)
- Date d'inscription: 11-05-2015
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Les bouillettes du crime
Le record français de 1984 battu. entre 7.3 et 7.4kg pour prêt de 90cm. J'ai enfin atteint mon objectif après 9ans dans la Somme. Dépasser les 7kg.
PS: pour les fouines qui cherchent les infos sans dire bonjour, non ce n'est pas à Saint Maurice et oui les coordonnées des photos sont modifiées de plusieurs mètres (combien? entre 1 et 400).
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30-03-2021 21:21:01
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31-03-2021 02:49:09
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31-03-2021 09:04:02
- chouchou4095
- ManiaC
- Lieu: Saint gratien
- Date d'inscription: 22-03-2014
Re: Où sont les grands barbeaux?
Drôle de mentalité de parler de coordonnées GPS de photo ou je sais pas quoi encore...
Et au pire on s'en contre fou.
par contre vraiment dommage qu'un tel poisson soit posé au sol sans être mis en valeur.
a croire que c'est un concours de qui à la plus grosse.
triste réalité
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